Joining me for more is Steve Oddland, president and CEO of the conference board. Steve, it's good to speak with you and that that stat takes me by surprise, especially given the NRF stat we saw where they suggested we could see the first trillion dollar Christmas or holiday season. Um, what are you seeing in your data and why.>> Yeah, well, the NRF stat is a little narrower than ours. Ours is all holiday spending on travel, on clothes, on parties, on food, the whole thing. And and it's expected to be down a ...