John Hecht Yes. So I think, John, in addition to what we talked about on our last call, which was post the SVB failure, I think we've seen sort of a little bit of normalization across the market. First Citizens, I think, has done a great job at stabilizing that business. We've seen them in the market on a handful of deals. We're actually working with them on a number of deals as well. Outside of First Citizens, there are some commercial banks that have pulled back from the venture lending ecosystem, which I ...