Question-and-Answer SessionSo maybe as a starting point, if we think about that 2030 time line, what does News Corp look like as it evolves over that period? So what does success look like?Robert ThomsonCEO & Director Yes. I think you can say quite safely that there's more stability at News Corp than there is in the French government, which has just collapsed, by the way, for those of you who have investments in France. And 5-year plans, look, if the Chinese can -- Chinese Communist Party can have a 5-year ...